I’m like 15 - 30 days late to this comment but I read most of this thread and just wanted to add some thoughts. Not hyper relevant now since the sub is dropping soon though, but I’ll try to add some things that make it useful.
So I’ll start off with a question I read about demonic possession while astral traveling. No clue if alchemist contains scripting to prevent the nasties getting you in the astral, or if scripting can even do that, I’m just going by the actual practice of AP.
The astral has a law of attraction dynamic. If you project in a shitty state, shit is what you’ll get. If you project in a neutral or elevated state, you’ll get neutral or elevated experiences. This includes the entities you’ll come across. If you’re in a negative state, don’t expect to enjoy yourself too much. There are plenty of articles online about “astral self defense”. Sorry to say not everything there has your best interest in mind. Some entities are adept enough to disguise as benevolent beings and you- as an inexperienced initiate, won’t detect the subtle enough layers of this entity to see it’s actually quite dark.
You need to do your research before going to the astrals. If you follow the right principles, you’re in a good state, and you know beforehand how to deal with any nasties that may come up, you’re well equipped. Of course you also don’t want the expectation you’ll find bad things because the law of attraction is instantaneous in the astrals.
You can’t be demonically possessed as the movies suggest, but you can have “etheric or astral parasites” latch onto your energy body. You can also become the target of nasty beings. Not the kind of haunting movies like to show, but something similar. Assuming you attract nasties. Again, do your research prior so you don’t have to deal with BS experienced people are more likely to experience.
Removing these influences are difficult, but can be banished. It’s highly unlikely you’ll attract something that is resistant to most banishings. If you did- you either really have bad luck or you pissed off the wrong guy while in the astrals lol. Pro tip: don’t be a stereotypical alpha male in the astrals lol. I don’t think many beings there take kindly to ego.
As for whether or not astral projection is delusional or not that’s a fairly good question. I don’t think it’s wise to hear something like “astral travel” and just assume it’s real and nice as commonly presented. I mean seriously, youtube “astral travel” and most of it is misrepresented garbage.
Ryan Cropper is a good source though.
Check him out.
Astral travel does not take years of dedicated practice. People have done it within a month. As I believe saint said, don’t complicate things before even starting. This is mental work. The better you let things flow, the more they’ll flow.
Astral travel can also be assisted by various meditation techniques, frequencies, binural beats, gemstones, etc.
In fact the best way to learn astral travel is by learning lucid dreaming. Practically the same method. What separates them? Well if you practice AP traditionally, you’re most likely gonna get lucid dreams first. Once you hit the astrals, you’ll know there’s quite a difference between a dream and the astrals.
Dreams build on imagination- if you follow the typical paradigm. When you start seeing things you’ve never seen before, you’ll feel awe. When you come across information you’ve never heard of before, that’s quite life changing, you’ll feel awe. So once you’re seeing/experiencing things outside of your memory bank, you’ll have a more tangible basis for the possibility of astral travel being “legit”.
Interestingly enough astral travel, like lucid dreaming, becomes rather boring after awhile so many people claim. In a lucid dream, once you’ve flown around, seen galaxies (it’s all imaginary but still), fulfilled basically all of your desires, there becomes hardly any purpose to lucid dream. You’d do it quite infrequently- unless you were using it as a spiritual tool (Dream Yoga - a tibet buddhist practice). Astral travel is similar, but not quite.
You couldn’t experience everything in the astral even if you wanted to, so there’s more reasons to go back. But if we’re to follow the progression of 7 basic dimensions, the astral is only the 4th. If you were to reach say- the 5th, your interest in the 4th would be practically non-existent most likely.
I’ve read stories from yogi’s who very much praise the astrals, I believe “Autobiography of a Yogi” is one of these cases if my memory serves me right. On the other hand I’ve read stories that some yogi’s warn against traveling to the astrals altogether. First off it’s fairly dangerous. The yogi’s go with the practicioners to the astrals to ensure their safety. Going to the astral and assuming it’s your playground… not the best idea. Second it feeds the desires of the imagination. It’s seen as lower than the 5D mental plane, because it is. Many yogi’s don’t want the astrals, they want to go higher. Also the more you go to the astrals, the stronger your tether to it becomes.
If you believe in a concept of an afterlife- or are open to at least considering one- the stronger your tether to the astrals is the more likely you’ll go there upon death. Yes yes I know many yogi’s say EVERYONE goes to the astrals upon death, but there are many who also say that’s not true. The development of the person’s consciousness determines where they go. If they have transcended the astrals (you don’t have to go to the astral to transcend it) then they won’t go to the astrals. They may briefly, upon immediate death, but then they’ll likely go to the dimension they’re supposed to go to.
HUGE INFO DUMP.
Like anything take it all with a grain of salt, this is just stuff I’ve come across.
I have done lucid dreaming myself, and I have been to the astrals a couple of times and I don’t feel the need to partake in either practice anymore. That’s the experience I got under my belt.
As for what yogi’s say, could all be bullshit and we’re all living in the simulation of an otaku weeb alien named Bartholomew who made said simulation to see if humans would come to an evolutionary point where we love anime cat girls as much as he does.
And since Elon Musk loves anime catgirls, that means all of humanity does too.
As for doing your research and preparing for your astral travels, THIS IS WHAT I STAND BEHIND. From experience I KNOW the vibration you’re in before projecting affects your experiences and what entities you meet. I KNOW you’ll have to escape certain scenarios with unwanted entities in a way that does not provoke them to come back for you. I KNOW you have to protect your energy body or things can linger.
I KNOW because I’ve experienced it. And that does NOT happen in a lucid dream. A lucid dream is 100% in your control. An astral travel is not. You can control of a lot of elements, in fact you could even banish entities and locations altogether and make others appear out of no where. But you can’t alter certain structures and entities- and if you try- you’re not going to have a good time.
Do your research.
Do you see how many words I typed for this?
I’m a lucky cunt for knowing this before starting because it saved my ass.
I’m pretty sure there’s a reason why yogi’s take novices to the astrals themselves. Novices shouldn’t be in the astrals IMO, unless they’re at least properly prepared. Thus not making you a total novice (;
Essay complete. Take care guys.